SARASOTA, Fla. (AP) — NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and players' union chief DeMaurice Smith took questions Wednesday at a symposium for NFL rookies, who wanted to know the same thing as everyone else unhappy about the league's labor dispute.

When is it going to end?

Goodell and Smith didn't say. But the union took their joint appearance as a positive sign.

"That's really the significance of this," NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah said. "There's a lockout happening now, but we've got to look forward and consider the necessity to have a positive working relationship with the league."

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